And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Mickey Lolich Instagram Star Mickey Lolich Mickey Lolich Net worth is $1.3 Million Updated on March 31, 2022 3-time MLB All-Star who started more games as a pitcher than anyone in Detroit Tigers history. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. He played in Major League Baseball as a pitcher from 1962 until 1979, most notably for the Detroit Tigers. June 2, 2006 He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. August 11, 2015 I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. June 11, 2003 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. June 30, 2019 Raymond Malcuit After one year in New York Lolich retired. Instead, he had a new perception. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Shickhaus Franks Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. We are going all the way!" September 25, 2013 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. What an interesting parallel, huh? Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". CBS Sports is a registered trademark of CBS Broadcasting Inc. 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December 8, 2006 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. body would be a pretty slender person. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Jamey Bumbalo Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. . For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. September 24, 2005 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Lolich's big-league debut came May 12, 1963, in a 9-3 Detroit loss to the Cleveland Indians. (thankfully returning in '81). GoMets2006 The bat-and-ball-shaped sign confirms that the shop belongs to the Mickey Lolich, the lefty who won 217 games and struck out 2,832 batters in a 16-year career with the Detroit Tigers. Jay But this one defied all logic from the beginning. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. LA-Mets Baseball burnt him out. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. October 2, 2005 February 28, 2003 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Mr. Sparkle An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Man, he was a big one. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich was signed by the Detroit Tigers as an amateur free agent at age 17 on June 30, 1958. April 27, 2013 Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey loved his Harley. April 30, 2009 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Jim Snedeker And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. October 19, 2011 Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Bob P October 18, 2008 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Michael I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Really? Mr. Sparkle Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. April 27, 2013 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. He started 45 games and completed 29. Jim Snedeker As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." May 9, 2002 But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. March 2, 2003 NYB Buff All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. The bat-and-ball-shaped sign confirms that the shop belongs to the Mickey Lolich, the lefty who won 217 games and struck out 2,832 batters in a 16-year career with the Detroit Tigers. feat fan Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. No contest. Randy Tate But he was not a career Tiger. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. Scrappy They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Ramblin' Pete April 6, 2012 You can't be serious. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. His unbroken records are 2,679 strikeouts, 39 shutouts, 459 games started, 329 home runs allowed, and 10,000 doughnuts made! Shickhaus Franks He later came back to play for the Padres. December 13, 2007 C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Al (thankfully returning in '81). The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. No contest. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Raymond Malcuit Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. December 20, 2019 Jamey Bumbalo The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. End of Line In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. End of Line. Ramblin' Pete Really? John Bruce We are going all the way!" But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. April 23, 2003 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. support. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. John Bruce Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. Man, those pitches were big ones. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. October 19, 2011 May 7, 2013 feat fan March 5, 2006 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. He later resurfaced with the Padres. ''Everybody wants to meet you because you're a ballplayer,'' Lolich said. That would make him a star in today's market. Joe Figliola June 30, 2019 May 4, 2001 What an interesting parallel, huh? Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. October 19, 2011 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. September 25, 2013 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Close. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. Mr. Sparkle But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. pete When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. August 11, 2015 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Al Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. What an interesting parallel, huh? He goes up one notch for being a character! He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. support. April 30, 2009 July 15, 2016 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. snook That would make him a star in today's market. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. pete Jay I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. No contest. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Ramblin' Pete Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. The point is he made a bad team worse. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mickey loved his Harley. The Bellevue Hotel on Bellevue Island was built in 1899. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Mickey loved his Harley. July 15, 2016 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Man, those pitches were big ones. Really? I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. NYB Buff Peter Featuring Bob Gibson in MVP form, Al Kaline, and Mickey Lolich, it was baseball at its best. November 19, 2002 Rusty could hit with the lights out. Bartolo Colon etc). March 22, 2005 Mickey liked his doughnuts. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Rusty played another decade. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. 2005-2023 CBS INTERACTIVE ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. May 7, 2013 I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Rusty could hit with the lights out. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. October 4, 2006 As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. How many did he own? August 18, 2001 Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the April 24, 2003 His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. December 13, 2007 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Robert [1] A three-time All-Star, Lolich is most notable for his performance in the 1968 World Series against the St. Louis Cardinals when he earned three complete-game victories, including a win over Bob . mets September 12, 2002 Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Al I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. December 13, 2007 =Chuck= Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? He later came back to play for the Padres. support. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Ramblin' Pete eddiek McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. June 30, 2019 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since November 21, 1964. December 8, 2006 He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. No idea, but as a kid I liked the ice fountain sculpture thing they did in the winter. April 24, 2003 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. September 25, 2013 December 8, 2006 April 27, 2013 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. And complaining about how fat he was? And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Mickey loved his Harley. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! April 23, 2003 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. September 12, 2002 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Raymond Malcuit October 18, 2008 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Mike B That's more realistic but generous, I think! April 6, 2012 Rusty played another decade. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. November 12, 2006 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. by Tom Gage (Author), Mickey Lolich (Author), Jim Leyland (Foreword) 121 ratings Kindle $12.99 Read with Our Free App Paperback $13.99 29 Used from $8.66 20 New from $13.66 The 1968 World Series remains one of the most iconic in major league history. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. January 12, 2011 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. July 15, 2016 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. 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