I taught Cindy in school. or debate this issue live on our message boards. I'm thankful for the reality of the Gospel and the truth of God's Word. Daves sister, Cindy, said, I won thousands of souls before I finished my teen years (The Fundamental Man, p. 271). I have been accused of attacking the Church at large, as well as Christianity and local churches broadly. I belong to an IFB church but I dont go along with them lock, stock and barrel.I read other translations.But I just want to say thank you because I believe there is a cult of Jack Hyles. More than 15,000 people attend services on the weekend. My goal is to help good people get out of bad situations. First Baptist was ground zero for the promotion of the damnable practices of Quick Prayerism and Big-Manism and Big-Numberism and Diotrephesism (blind, unquestioning loyalty to a pastor). As I mentioned in the first point, I don't wish to give others the opportunity to say that this is a full-fledged attack on the Christian religion in it's entirety. (Friday Church News Notes, August 26, 2022, www.wayoflife.org, fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143),
They pleaded for lenient sentencing. Morris, yes, fearful thing. When Jack Schaap found out that Kaifetz read Glover's book, it completely ended their friendship. I will remain you that independent churches operate as a group as they do not often take their doctrine from the declarations of a man, most independent churches, regardless of the denomination operate on those principles. I pray this post is a blessing to someone, in Jesus name, amen. Call the police. - Mrs. Linda Boyd Jack Schaap was always very open about his life. And people dont come back from the dead. The scriptures are clear on when a divorce is acceptable, Biblical grounds if you will. Jesus walked on the shores of Galilee, he healed the sick and raised the dead. But not believing it can have a significant impact on our lives. Those are facts, and us not believing them does not make them any less true. Convicted felon Jack Schaap was once the senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN. She didnt try to work it out with him? In six years, the teens reported 100,000 salvation decisions, though the youth Sunday School averaged only 2,500. His actions speak for themselves. But my relationship is not dependent upon my performance as a son it is dependent upon Him. Protester at Paris Hilton's peaceful march at Provo Canyon School holds a sign that reads, "The Kids You Abuse Today Will Be the Ones Who Take You Down Tomorrow.:". In January 2013,Chicago Magazineran a front-page report entitled Let Us Prey: Big Trouble at First Baptist Church, documenting ten cases of sexual crimes and fornications committed by pastors associated with First Baptist. Jack Schaap (pronouncedskop), former pastor of First Baptist Church, Hammond, Indiana, was released from prison on May 4 after serving nine years (of a 12-year sentence) for a sexual relationship with a teenage church member (Former pastor released,The Times of Northwest Indiana, Munster, May 14, 2022). You may be threatened so much that you mouth the words I believe, but you wouldnt really. He also admitted that he used a computer to persuade the girl to have sex with him illegally. Unholy and delusional thou art and shall suffer, oh yes, suffer beyond your wildest fears May 8, 2016 . 8 For Jesuss application in the NT. Sitting across from you in a session, I would ask you why you are so quick to jump to the bitterness conclusion. It's worth noting that David Gibbs, an attorney for the church, warned Kimmel and Schaap they might be . Now, that still doesnt make me better than you or possibly anyone else for that matter, but it does make me justified in His sight, and that is what matters. For those who have been abused, if they werent bitter Id wonder if they were truly in touch with their own emotions. 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Yes, Jack fell and is disgustingly gross but his wife did not help the situation. If he's convinced a parole board that he's reformed enough to be out of prison after committing the felonious acts he has, then he's in line for an academy award. Is this extreme sex drive justification for Schaaps criminal behavior? You dare willfully sin and advocating against the faith of little ones? (a girl who was a member of the church and Schaap was counseling her) For more information on Jack Schaap, please read the Chicago Magazine article, Let Us Prey: Big Trouble at First Baptist Church. Thats the bartender, right? Or, to put it another wayif everyone believed and interpreted the Bible as YOU dowed have a different world. I fear my wife far more than I do God. One could write a book on the reasons that purity culture and the church's teachings on sex and modesty misses the mark. Mat 19:9 seems to have clearly made exceptions in the case of marriage infidelity. Jack Hyles. Otherwise you run the risk of providing false information to others which they may use to make a pre concieved judgment. (a girl who was a member of the church and schaap was counseling her) for more information on jack schaap, please read the chicago magazine article, let us prey: big You're probably not off-base for feeling like that. At the center of this huge church was its pastor, Jack Hyles. Let me be clear, I have no problem with Cindy Schaap divorcing her husband. My heart breaks for Mrs. Schaap on so many levels. How Covid Restrictions Affected Religious Groups. Thats why it does not say, except it be for adultery. A prime example would be the case of Joseph and Mary. My heart goes out to her and her family and my prayers are that she can put all of this behind her, move forward and have a happy and bright future. If it takes two, and the woman is partially responsible, what about rape? Dont we have enough things to worry about in our own lives? Its sad when divorce happens. That year, Dave organized the Teenage Soul Winning program. Oh yes she is. Later this week, I plan to write a post about marriage and divorce and how IFB churches handle divorce. i was there also between 1986-88 and always though Jack Schaap was a pervert and was just waiting for the chance to take over FBC when Dr. Hyles passed away. Yes, it is frowned on in that we shouldnt take our marriage lightly or the ending of it. I dont want to put risk on anyone, and also, want to respect the current mandates and CDC recommendations. Mega-churches have also received a fair amount of criticism, as some say they focus more on entertainment than on worship, and that large numbers detract the amount of time pastors can spend with the congregation. Nor do I want to give the signal to pastors that I am going to show up on their sidewalk with a picket sign the minute there is a disagreement. I had no idea Polly had become dangerous! It is sickening to me that a man who claims to be a messenger of God, with a daughter of his own, would take advantage of a young girl in such an evil and immoral manner.. Is God Sovereign and Does Everything Happen for a Reason? As such, I unashamedly love my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and His Church. According to your personal interpretation, divorce because of adultery is permitted. I do not feel comfortable with the fact that anyone could take a picture of the peaceful gathering and position it as a riot, bitter people screaming at NVBC attendees, or people who hate church on some vendetta. I am a HAC graduate and at a place where I dont cast accusations, only look for valid, responsible answers. In the September plea agreement, Schaap admitted that he had sex with the girl, who turned 17 a week after the relationship started. Bruce! You have to be a truly despicable human being when screwing people out of their life savings in a Ponzi scheme, . I will never forget how [he] looked me in the eyesand told me how great my daughter was doing, the father wrote in a victims impact statement. Joseph Refused 2. She never wanted to go with him she wanted to book her OWN conferences. In order to get a head start in your preparation for upcoming examinations such as JAMB, NECO and WAEC, we have made available for you free past question papers that are relevant to this years examination. 4) Schaap having sex with the teen in his office. First Baptist has influencedthousandsof churches. He fooled the people at FBCH/HAC.He became their pastor.UGH! The new book releasing in March 2021 from Brazos Press explores the dynamics of power and lack of accountability that occur within many organizational contexts and encourages women and men to speak out in the face of unjust systems. (Publishers Summary) Prey Tell is undeniably well-researched, but it also comes from personal experience. That's just the truth. If I were going to that church, I would not stop going to church just because of some bad people. After an immense amount of time and thought weighing it out, Im making the decision to cancel the event. Posted at 16:09h in Uncategorized by 0 Comments. Aug 12, 2012. Play it now! Jack Schaap commited felony under Federal Jurisdiction USA. Are Christian pastors meant have sex with a minor? I stand by everything I have written on the movement. Concise. Jack's guilty plea apparently wasn't enough to lose the favor of his devoted followers. So, youre an apostate. Potiphar Went to the POLICE! I also suspect that I know a hell of a lot more IFB preachers than you do. By Hemant Mehta. A Response to Tim Challies (Part Two) | Here's the Joy. (Wow, this is kinda funreminds me of childhood!) Yet not once during our divorce did he reach out and try to reconcile us. But did she even try?. Pastors are not Policemen. No matter how you interpret it, there is indeed a wiggle room here. This recently released document reveals the evidence that will put him away. Well i think all Baptist church on indiana should accept. Whatever her reasons, it is her decision, end of story. UPDATE: On May 4th, 2022 Jack Schaap was given an early release. IFB=independent Fundamentalist Baptist church movement. The nonsense of celestial marriage they postulated, giving them a get out of jail free card from their marital responsibilities is a desperate mental / spiritual gymnastic that comes from someone delusional and probably not in a fulfilling marriage relationship. I am sorry to hear that bro.schaap Believe me it takes two.. .and if you dont believe that, then I have a brooklyn bridge to sell you! I hope its not intentionally done, just irrationally put together. Now, if she can divorce herself from that whole cultish hell Oh, I hope she can. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Will Political Conservativism Save America? If you'd prefer to watch, you can do so below: the year after he was sentenced by Judge Lozano Juju bees, Who was meeting their needs? You will feel the crushing great weight of humanity as she walks over you now and forever, as the minions of miracles crush your loved ones with Humanitys Judgement, the plagues of comeuppance, the horrors of your ways! One is Joy Ryder and the other is Nanette Miles. It seems like Id heard a few months back that Cindy had found a good home in a good church in the area, not FBC. Marriage is not a contract between two people; it is a covenant between a couple and God. Rick, the term gossiping Jezebel tells your ugly heart story, you patriarchal bully asshole. According to the Hartford Institute for Religion Research, most current mega-churches were founded after 1955 after larger churches started to become more appealing to many church-goers. They are also aimed at targeting younger audiences, often with the prospects of contemporary music and more casual settings than traditional churches. Im still a very active member of my church, in fact I work on staff as a full time secretary. Im so sorry for the hurt in your life that must have caused this. I was asked to be a detective. Bruce, what happened my brother? Is this prison thing a comment on marriage??? The former son-in-law of Jack Hyles, Schaap is now serving tim. As most of you have seen, I had planned to lead a peaceful gathering of survivors at North Valley Baptist Church in Santa Clara, CA. 2nd. It turns out that the charismatic youth leader had more than evangelism on his mind. In 2011 Clarence Sexton went to Pastor's school at FBC Hammond and showered the church and now-disgraced pastor Jack Schaap with praise. And why is it that often such practices are only admitted by these authoritarian Fundamentalist churches, once these evils are exposed? In fact he told my ex that he didnt want to get involved. That didnt stop him MANY times before. Bruce I can speak from personal experience on this one. Spiritually sound. The man called by God makes his calling publicly known before the church, often at the close of the Sunday morning church service. Jack Schapp's published books include Marriage: The Divine Intimacy and Dating with a Purpose: Common Sense Dating Principles for Couples, Parents, and Youth Workers. Potiphars wife had EVIDENCE. I gotta shit, and hes been wasting all the toilet paper. In 1976, Daves bookSuccessful Church Youth Workwas published by the Sword of the Lord. He pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in September to transporting a minor across state lines for sexual relations. So this is partly about Jack Schapp. Feel free to email me if you want more info, not gossip, just truth. In 2013, Jack Schaap, 62, pleaded guilty to taking a 16-year-old girl he was counseling at First Baptist across state lines for sex. There are some 42000 Christian denominations. But if what he said about her is true all I can say is wow. It even had a song written about it by a well-intentioned Christian musician that has been shared by well-intentioned Christian fans. https://brucegerencser.net/2022/02/ifb-man-admits-that-i-am-a-better-man-morally-than-he-is-but-tells-me-im-going-to-hell-anyway/. For that reason, I dont feel comfortable attaching the protest to the Preacher Boys Podcast at this time. ! I can only imagine how different THAT world might be. There are people within North Valley Baptist Church and congregants and staff in churches like it who are reaching out for help and guidance, many on the brink of leaving and finding healthier ministries. Aw shucks, let me play too? Schaap's most recent projected release date was February 2, 2023, according to a judge's order denying an early release request last year. I was married to a Pastors Daughter for nearly seven years. I am not. But I have enough of my own troubles to keep me busy rather than condemning him. You gossiping Jezebel. Most of us have heard the you are bitter commentary/judgment many many times. REally?? What a mess. The denominations involved include Baptists, Methodists, and Nondenominational, as well as some Pentecostal churches. Sincerely, I can say that the motivation behind the event was a positive one. I assume that you dont believe in leprechauns or that the earth is flat? I do know he was in sin, and it doesnt appear he had remorse for it. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. In 2020, two lawsuits were filed against Dave Hyles by women who claim that he sexually abused them in the 1970s. 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She didnt try to find out if he needed spiritual counselling, etc? When I asked you if it was wrong, you said, No, the girl said in a statement. 5) Schaap dishonoring the teens father and mother. 140 letters written by family, staff, and parishioners were submitted as exhibits to be reviewed by the judge as he carried out sentencing. Hmmm, something happend in your life! 502-6193752. That is just a drop in the bucket, as has been documented in many reports. But I would say this to anyone reading this post: theyre bad people that work at WalMart but Im not going to stop shopping there. Jack shapps victim was underage, and he was way older and in a major spiritual position of influence as her pastor, and he took advantage of her. View arrest records, background check report etc. Which God do we actually serve? Pray for the family and pray for the victims in this. If not for you, but for the next person who may tread the path you went through. Get down on your knees and repent now. I am so glad she is divorced from that cad. They have grown in popularity in recent years, and are mostly a phenomenon of modern times. 2. Some Holy Ghost that guides you. You can certainly look with great fear of judgment and fiery indignation because you have trodden under foot the Son of God, and counted the blood of the covenant as an unholy thing. She was in the right. No one should be forced to remain married to someone they no longer want to be married to. Talk about sin its sin on all sides. Pastor Jack Schaap is out of prison, his scheduled release date is next February (2023), but the Federal Bureau of Prisons now says he's a free man. Interpretation of that verse varies, both fornication and adultery are sexual immorality. You are a very sad and bitter old man. shelved 231 times. Email: [email protected] Toll free: (866) 364-9980 If someone knows to do good and does not do it then they have SINNED. The same women, no doubt, who have been raising their voices to share their rightful hurt after watching Modest is Hottest and seeing it warmly received by many of their fellow Christians. What the hell does all this word salad even mean? Can forgiveness only arise out of a biblical mindset? Immediately. Doesnt love do no wrong to ones neighbour? This genius has strung a bunch of Bible verses together, using them to threaten me with God, judgment, and Hell. Before moving to Jack's current city of Durham, NC, Jack lived in Crete IL, Dyer IN and Hammond IN. One, for his trips to an Illinois forest preserve, was that he needed to spend time with God walking and praying. To explain his taking the girl alone to his Michigan cabin, he told his assistant that he needed to spend extended periods of time alone with the girl to save herboth literally and spirtually. Not your pastor. Hes a loathsome piece of flotsam who used his position to exploit underage female church members. Investigators later recovered photos taken inside the cabin showing a grinning Schaap on a couch in an intimate pose with the girl and also french-kissing [her] while touching her in a sexual manner.. Believing or not believing the truth only effects our lives and those we influence. You can download these past questions from our site! *sigh*. Jack Schaap (pronounced skop ), former pastor of First Baptist Church, Hammond, Indiana, was released from prison on May 4 after serving nine years (of a 12-year sentence) for a sexual relationship with a teenage church member ("Former pastor released," The Times of Northwest Indiana, Munster, May 14, 2022). I should have asked for a copy of the police report when people came with accusations. Getentrepreneurial.com: Resources for Small Business Entrepreneurs in 2022. ABOVE) ARE FULL OF DUNG UNLESS &-OR UNTIL YOU ALL GET +++BORN-AGAIN+++ SPIRITUALLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE ala ST. JOHN CHAPTER THREE (3) VERSES 1-16 ! 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