@ Christiane: Good point. Rent/water/utilities are coming due. But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. But how does God meet with them there when He has said Be still, and know that I am God ? What a beautiful description. In 2018, Newman was found liable for $10 million in damages, but was later released from a garnishment.) Ive posted the video here a few times of Greg Loves talk at DTS. (Notably, former KanakukcounselorLee Bradberrywas convictedof second-degree statutory sodomy, sexual misconduct and two counts of child molestation for abusing three underage male campers in 2011. It is so hard for people to understand how it works. NOBODY will EVER believe yoU! and as backup support when things get sticky (Friends in High Places, like Facilier the Bokor in Disneys The Princess and the Frog.) Let me just say, we had a situation at an office I worked in where they found someone with child porn. It is too hard, period. Charles L. Bailey Jr., In the Shadow of the Cross link. There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. Or people thinking we can bring repentant molester cons back into institutions. Anyone who survived high school and wasnt a quarterback or cheerleader could tell you that. Plaintiffs accusedother Kanakuk officials, including owner White,of being aware that Newman had abused kidsyearsbefore Newman's criminal conviction. Your conscience is very important! Its not love; not when its MANdated by misogynists, no. How are people supposed to live believing they cannot trust themselves on basic things like this? Outright lies. How do I go about investigating a camp? I dont know if thats real or not. They are unfortunately few around us. The YMCA pays for the service they receive but there is not the problem of the Christian brotherhood. ", "The issue of right and wrong with masturbation is the issue of lust," White wrote in his '90s-era book for Christian youth, published in connection with a fundamentalistchurch nonprofit, Focus on the Family. And maybe he felt that spilling the beans on the dark side of the Resurgence would help the SBC and the whole Church. . Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? So when this kid used the word I pretended that I knew what she was talking about to save face, and then set out to investigate. Join a small fellowship that preaches Jesus and Him crucified but has no desire to become the next mega/multi-site/church planting hub/trendy/etc. I wonder if that man you referred to ever found peace. The document also reads that in order to make an officer of a corporation liable to a third person, something more must be shown than a mere act of nonfeasance on the part of the officer. The prosecutor's criminal charges allege that Pete engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior with adolescent boys, including some who had been Kanakuk Kampers. He may be hired for the training aspect. I think churches should use a program like Ministry Safe because they show you convicted molesters who look totally normal and give you things to watch out for. I see Bob Jones listed as a client. They also claimed no one at Gateway had been filmed on their property, which may have been technically true, but several Gateway student and leader victims were taped at offsite properties where overnight events were held. If Camp Kankakuk says its going to bring forward witnesses to discredit the harm juvenile campers had from sexual assault, thats a big sign that their attorneys are going to turn this into a trial of the victims. I think this is promising. In this video you will see Kanakuk leaders explaining under oath what they knew years before Newman was arrested in 2009. If moral conscience is dismissed as reliable; that strengthened the authority of leadership. Velour wrote: @ Todd Wilhelm: Reporter Gregory Holman was born and raised in Branson, mostly living in Taney County until 2003. Its all pride. It is not easy at all to find lawyers who will sue religious organizations, Yet, according to one website, lawsuits against churches have increased over 2,000 percent since 1992.. If it werent so ludicrous it would almost be funny. I dont think they are a biblical movement at all, but just use the Bible as a way to get gullible Christians to join. Maybe we should really rethink that idea. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. Kanakuk STAFF application, riesenauswahl an markenqualitt Kanakuk Kamps & Convicted Sex Offenders | whatyareckon and diversity sure did take a hit when the missionaries who spoke in tongues were sadly targeted. We will never stop being sorry for the pain inflicted on victims. The report states that Kanakuk did not limit Newmans access to boys. Kanakuk Kamps leaders say they acted swiftly after learning Pete Newman abused campers. I dont think so. I dont know. Bryan Loritts was not the voyeur. . Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. @ BeenThereDoneThat: According to the statement, nothing short of active participation in a positively wrongful act causing intended injury to the prejudice of the complaining party, will give rise to individual liability. However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. When they are above laws, we are done. Please consider subscribing to support vital local journalism. And Im sure there are many people outside the House of Driscoll who think Im defiling their holy temple just by standing on the sidewalk as a (very imperfect) warning about whats within. Joe graduated fromSouthern Methodist University, and was an assistant coach atTexas A&M Universitybefore taking the reins of Kanakuk. Lol! Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? My former church blew off a similar incident and the pedophile went on to molest. @ Christiane: Ive referred to these religious leaders in the past as modern day Pharisees, that no longer works. Say a quick little prayer for me, please this is day 3 of a migraine headache. Suing policy aside, I thought his information for churches was very good. It is my hope that Kanakuk be successfully sued for their lack of diligence with the lives of children. More than 20,000 kids age 7-18 attend each summer. A prosecutor told the News-Leader at the time that Newman admitted to sexual activity with as many as 13 other minors. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. What on earth is going on in christian land these days? http://www.nakedpastor.com/ I think they have good intentions but nothing brings out truth better than discovery. It is quite brief, but moving. Exception to that would be the trinitarian baptismal formula. places like Bob Jones, SGM, etc. ave they announced who is Gods Choice THIS year? My point about this is that even licensed CPAs have gotten in trouble for fudging things for clients and it came down to the $$$. There really are three different services we are talking about here that maybe should not be covered by the same company. Its shocking the first time. On June 9, 2010, Newman, then 34,pleaded guilty in Taney County court to eight charges of sexually abusing six childrenin connection with his role as a counselor and director at nearbyKanakuk. I talked about worship services and the presence or absence of reverence as related to my childhood church and my current church. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Just an update and hopefully this doesnt get overshadowed or lost in the mix : )I just told the place where I take care of the horses that I need to step back from feeding. For the fundamentalist the evil world is what one builds an ark for themselves and their family to avoid when judgment comes. Thats why I see it as a problem of the heart. Interest we picked the same guy as an example. I was quoting Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you but Jesus Christ and Him crucified (NIV). beyond irresponsible into criminal. Its taken us time to process it and Im sure it will take us much more time to work through it. @ Lea: Its just not worth the risk. I hope you realize I am speaking of cover ups, hiring known abusers, etc. Thats a verse Joel Olsteen uses repeatedly! We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. He currently resides in Branson, Missouri, with his wife, Debbie Jo. Please stay on this case. The leadership, that knowingly invites the sick predators near children, has an even GREATER responsibility for what happens as a result. The police will generally only end up arresting the actual offender, which doesnt do anything to change the hiring practices, system protection in place, etc. I have had some experience with this recently. But sadly, theres a lot of people that will listen just because that person insists on being called to ministry. So long as it was just those awful Catholic Papists and their anti-Christ in his pointy hat, they (protestant fundagelicals) were as smug and confident as Joshua encircling Jericho. They used to. There is a time and place for that of course, and we have other systems that are punitive, like a license board investigation for instance. The suit is the latest of several that have been filed against the company and Newman since Newman was sentenced in 2010. http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_aa49fe6a-79ec-11e5-89be-7ff4b6c225f5.html. Pingback: An Open Letter to Bryan Loritts (Former Teaching Pastor at Fellowship Memphis) | Wondering Eagle, I just looked Ministry Safe up. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. And they might not be able to really process everything until well into adult years. It comes highly rated as a Christian camp (make that kamp) and we all know Christian = safe, has an emphasis on sports, has achieved some national notoriety, and is only three hours from here. How did Berny Madoff get the trust of all of his investors, or other finical con artist? First: I have never commented but I read this blog frequently. Dee, I want to thank you for including some of the graphic details. When a Christian has an encounter with a person like Newman, they have come to a crossroads. *Warning: short, graphic section dealing with the activities of Newman to give readers an understanding of his crimes.*. My two daughters traveled on those buses from NorthParkCenter which are mentionedin the story. Newman was in his mid-20s. That is what I call integrity. Each side loves their insults instead of just dealing with an issue. The Dygertssettled. Branson resident Evan Hoffpauir said that in 2009, former Christian sports camp counselor Peter Newman, now a convicted sexual predator,called himwith a prayer request. The male buddy-system seems to be forged in such a way that tolerance for the presence of an abuser is much greater among these male-headship idolators. In 2003, defendants White and Kanakuk had actual knowledge that defendant Newman continued to engage in activities with children at Kanakuk camps that involved defendant Newman and the children becoming naked together., Why wouldKanakukgiveNewman a promotion and allow him to have access to boy kampersif they knew about his activities? Much appreciated! Demanding submission from people is an ugly business. I cant quote Criswell word for word, but he said that the man who pastors a church is the ruler of the church. And we have memphis, branson, and then one of your links was little rock. I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. When I received the phone call in 09 from a mutual friend about what Pete had done, I was in total shock. Its such a thick environment. I honestly dont know. I would not have known about this situation if those twohadn't been keeping an *eagle* and *watchful* eye on this story. Ugh, I have seen this ruin a person. Have a young friend, barely into his thirties, and the head and associate pastor at his wonderful neocal church are painfully young, both about his age, he hasnt been attending this church long, but he absolutely raves about how genuine and humble these guys are, how they admit their faults, how they get it right better than anyone hes ever seen. So, how many points are there on a line? In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuksays it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. I know many, many people who send their kids to Kanakuk year after year. IMO talking about conscience does indeed get close to reason and experience, except I dont think that is a bad thing. The corruption will become more entrenched and more protected as they close ranks against The Other.Burwell wrote: A small independent Fellowship was what messed me up in the mid-Seventies. Since then I have been much more aware of such individuals. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. http://www.vachss.com/. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. Yet today (in the Age of The Gospel According to Hal Lindsay and Left Behind), the only archetype of Antichrist is The Fanatic Persecutor. It is nothing new, it has been around since the early days of the first church. I laughed so hard while watching the video of everyone standing. Just really screwed-up stuff.". He was not real clear. Im not providing a link because its obvious that Kamp Kanakuk did a lousy, horrible job of stopping abuse and is now trying to avoid the very real consequences of Joe Whites decisionmaking with regards to Peter Newman. Actually its a real problem. These churches are either incredibly stupid, blind, or just dont care even a little bit about what is right. Brians comment up thread and the various responses to it have greatly reinforced the old adage of the wolf in sheeps clothing. Because as you know, football scholarships are more important than a teenage girl. The aura or attraction that people feel for personality-disordered (or character-disordered) people is an attraction to something that is a lie, as you said. Ive posted the video here a few times of Greg Loves talk at DTS. Currently, the camp's websiteprices four-week sessions at $4,800 per child. Can you point me to Friedmans writings in which he talks about doing the right thing? Because you are an important part of the Kanakuk family, we wanted to make you aware that earlier today, the Taney County Missouri prosecutor filed a four-count criminal complaint against our former employee, Pete Newman. So JW victims are worthy to represent in a lawsuit but victims in a Christian Church, arent? Pride. Add to that they tend to believe the molester (when caught) and how sorry they are. But not "Christian" groups, they cover it up, ignore it and move on!! Also,there seems to be an established Christian promotional/marketing thing that that pushes all these groups and ideas, so if one had a contrary message, not sure how they would get it heard. So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. Caring? It just gets worse and worse. They mirror what people expect but with a different agenda in mind. Its just my opinion based on my experience with institutional cultures. I know several good and wonderful Catholic people from St. Matthews parish here in my area. Jesus did not mince words. I have had a calling towards Student Ministry for many years and volunteered alongside Pete at the local Methodist Church. Its just not worth the risk. The family of a Texas boy who was sexually abused by former Kanakuk camp director Pete Newman has asked a federal court judge to issue an injunction and/or a restraining order against Kanakuk and its CEO Joe White. I am trying to wrap my head around this Christian lawyer who claims to be a victim advocate. He sold mini busts of himself at one convention back in the 90s(?). At Fellowship Memphis, the leadership has allegedly assertedthat Newman was merely a contractor. Kind of a step further than that is holding Kanakuk responsible. I honestly think GRACE has good intentions. But That one is more wholesome than the Milgram experiment! ), How can those of us with Jobs and Lives and other things than 24/7/365 Self-Promotion compete with that? Newman continued his heinous activities and was finallyarrested in 2010. Would a secular program be better? Kanakuk camp 'abuse survivors' call for independent investigation into sexual assault accusations, that were reportedly flagged for Kanakuk leaders in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2006, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting', were first published last year by The Dispatch, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. NO excuses exist that can make what happened to the little victims right. . Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. It is a way of life for them. And they wouldnt sign, to their credit. Thats sort of the question to me. I love that. Spending money on a report is one way to stay in business. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. It was a sampler album for his garage band, and right in the middle of all these Furry filksongs comes Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent, sung Absolutely Straight. In all my years as a baptist I never, that would be never, heard any emphasis on conscience per se-other than what was taught me at home that one cannot trust the conscience since it was in a fallen state. Most of their employees are members, leaders, sometimes pastors at local churches. . I know that people have a lot of problems with the conservative resurgence, but from my standpoint the sbc style baptists had got into such a mess that something needed done. The idea being that if you have confessed your sins and repented and asked God for forgiveness then you are forgiven by God. Reading through the articles posted at Eagles blog, it sounds like she wanted women Elders and her Gospel Coalition (because of course) pastor was all NOPE. Like, 'This would take our relationship to the next level.' HUG, there may be another, albeit more difficult, option. I wont argue that there are some self-serving lawyers and judges. No sympathy here. And she realized, oh no, something had happened. Theyre spending ($4,800) a month to bring their kid, and some of these parents have two, three or four kids that are going through Kanakuk every summer, and so theres so much money that goes through the camp that ends up going to Branson and Taney County.. "I don't think I really questioned why, I was just kind of flattered by it. Opening up and letting the truth in might knock them off their perceived center. In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. They cop to a much lessor offense at the podium and then the pew sitters tell each other how humble their wonderful pastor is. 1. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? Childrens lives are at stake here. You ARE the Church. But by the fruit that is produced. We heard a few stories of payroll money going missing to buy new cars for the Apostle and his son. @ ishy: AND I can see this as a definite wake-up call to churches where men have played church, taken money from people, lorded their power and control over these people, and allowed their children to be abused by their buddies. I honestly cannot understand what motivates these people, unless it really is the protect men and pastors first. I would be spending time talking with them and seeking to ascertain if anything like this had happened to them or kids they know. What is the matter with these people? Is there a shortage of lawyers who will sue on behalf of victims? There seems to be a lack of wisdom or even common sense in large swaths of Christendom these days. Drove out the Communists and got the Taliban. September 2009: Newman is arrested & then released on $50,000 bond along with a court order not to be around children but he continues working at the church. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. Never did send any of my kids there. @ Lydia: Ive always been skeptical about things people say, so I chuffed at people who insisted that they had a call so I had to listen to them. Yet fruit has nothing to do with it? X-rated church! Hm. It's like a pop-off valve on the water heater." @ BeenThereDoneThat: Many of Sammys victims only knew Sammy through the LifeWay CentriFUGE camps. As sex crimes attorney/advocate/author Andrew Vachss said, They arent just sick but sickening.. Maybe Christian leaders need classes in Ethics when it comes to protecting kids!?! These people are selling you something, because they want something from you. It is nothing new, it has been around since the early days of the first church. When do Highborn ever think about the damage to those Lowborn? Manybut not all come from wealthy Texas evangelical families. Thechurch willlook bad no matter what the molester's or voyeur's job title was. The problems, I just got madder about this situation as I went for a walk!! man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. He is serving a 10-year sentence at a Jefferson City prison facility, Missouri Department of Corrections records show.). I dont even know that it wasnt dismissed. Caveat emptor folks. That is my lonely view. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. Nah, I have to rein in my anger before I comment on that! A civil complaint alleges that there were at least 57 victims, but the prosecutor in his case estimates that the real number could be in the 'hundreds.'" Hire family and family of family and people we know from conferences, etc.. I mean, I live 4-5 hours away, so maybe its more familiar to me, but its well known apparently outside of the area, yes, enough to make it onto the simpsons lol. Ive never been there, but Ive heard descriptions of christianized shows and activities. it appears Sandy Wilson was to concerned about church disciplining someone challenging him Figures.. Not just a someone . And it no longer felt likecounseling.". The difference is there is licensing involved and CPAs risk losing their license to practice. However, if the church attempts to discredit the information provided by this individual, he will come forward with his name, gladly! Both programs stressed that we would be in legal trouble if we had information and did not report it to the authorities. One would hope. So creepy. Because we have Jobs and Lives and have to pause sometime; the fanboy doesnt. It is not Mephistopheles but Faust who embodies the constant, sleepless, unsmiling concentration upon Self which is the true mark of Hell.. I was far and away the youngest person in most crowds at 45. Prayer Request: Former CLCer will be having eye surgery tomorrow in the D.C. area CPA licensing has changed because of it. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. @ Loren R Haas: Well done! I often get the feeling that some today would have called us works type Christians back then. "We're getting ready to go to bed and I look over and all of a sudden, he's got an erection under the blanket," Dygert said. Lea wrote: It truly is a strange religion; bizarrely skewed and with virtually no connection to everyday sane and practical reality. White wrote, "It's definitely a mess and a last-resort measure not the way it was intended to function, but better than a major explosion.". Kanakuk peddles their safety systems for profit to schools, insurance companies, churches and camps. Prayer Requests The concept of a moral conscience trained in Christian formation is what WOULD keep an authoritarian Church from becoming a cult. When did that go by? You Goat! Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? (Except when it really gets out-of-hand like Michael Jackson or Liberace.). he might have done this but what have you done? They still are highly sought after and do meticulous work. But for Jesus it did have to do with that temple/ that building in Jerusalem and what he said was My house shall be called a house of prayer. 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